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Starting an inground pool installation in Rochester, NY

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thinking about installing a pool?

Maybe you're not sure where to begin.

Swimming pools are big, not only in terms of the size of investment you’re making. Their size will take up a major portion of space in your backyard.

When it comes to designing your in-ground pool and surrounding outdoor living space, maybe you’re not sure where to begin.

It can be hard to find solid & unbiased information on the web that is specific enough to be useful. Rochester homeowners planning an inground pool installation will find advice on this website that is useful, because the majority of the information is specific to our area.

All the information on this site is based on my formal education in Landscape Architecture combined with over 25 years of professional experience, designing inground pools & backyard living areas in Rochester, NY & Hilton Head, SC.

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Before installing an inground Pool

4 Mistakes to avoid

Designing your overall Backyard

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Pool Design

1) Not designing your overall backyard space before you start

Don't Leave your Backyard Design to Chance

A pool company is not there to design your overall backyard space. They are there to give you a pool.

Let’s say you do decide to leave the design up to your inground pool and backyard up to your pool builder. You might get a drawing for the pool & patio, but they can’t spend a lot of time working out how the pool and surrounding features will blend together into a cohesive living space.

Especially when they don’t even know if they will be doing your project. At the initial planning stage they are there to bid on the pool, and that usually includes extra concrete for a patio and a fence to meet NYS code.

That’s understandable. However, that is not how space is designed for any type of residential architecture.Your pool project will affect a large portion of your overall living space and it should not be left to chance.

Invest time in planning

Plan how you want your backyard to look and function once the pool is in. A well designed space must have enough room to deliver on its potential….. As an outdoor living area.

It’s helpful to think of landscape design as a recipe. If the recipe is substandard, then it won’t matter how much money or time you spend……it will never taste right and possibly it could be downright awful.

Even a simple plan you do yourself will help you to solidify and understand your own objectives.

Extra Tip

Is their a real dollar value for landscaping ?

Several University studies have done research by grading landscape quality to see if it has an impact on perceived Home Value and selling price.

Virginia Tech study on Landscaping impact on Home Value

Read the Michigan State University Study on Factors influencing ROI for landscape improvements.

Plan ahead. Don’t leave the grade to chance because you end up having to either “live with it” or spend money afterwards to fix it. 

what's the real dollar value of a well done landscape ?

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Cost Recovery

2) Not building enough patio space

The #1 regret from homeowners who have an inground pool installed is that they underestimated the importance of the pool patio. Studies show that when the average homeowner uses their pool, approximately 85% of their time is spent on the patio and not in the pool.

That makes the pool patio an essential part of your pool project. A feature that you must get right….AND hopefully the first time!

  • A very common mistake is thinking “I’m going to have a lot of people over so I’m going to need a big pool.” That’s a misconception because when you have a lot of people over you don’t need a big pool so much as you need a big space around the pool to accommodate the people.

To learn more about patio cost & options, this page covers:

  • the recommended space requirements for a patio.
  • Materials used for patios compared
  • cost breakdown for patios in rochester NY

Patio design is important

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Patio Space

3) Pool fence layout

Don't skimp on size of fence

Another very common cause of wasted space in your backyard pool project is the location of the pool fence.

Another common regret from homeowners who have a pool, is that they minimized the amount of pool fence, resulting in a poolside environment that “feels” very tight and restricted.

Typically it’s done because of the mistaken belief that everything “inside the pool fence” should get planted or paved.  That approach usually results in too much paving and inadequate planting beds.  The feel of your space becomes “stark, restricted & heavy” and the plantings soon become a high maintenance mess.

It’s preferable to have generous proportions for your poolside environment (meaning a bigger fenced in area). The area is then balanced with skillful planting design using the principle of mass and void to create a pleasing, balanced environment.

 

Fence Layout has a major impact on the overall living space

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Pool Fence

4) Too much wasted space

Don't Leave the Grade to Chance

The most common cause of wasted space in your backyard pool project is grading. On a surprisingly high percentage of pool installs, the grade is never really addressed until the day the pool is actually dug. And it’s the excavation crew that determines it.

A typical post build example would be where you have maybe 4′-5′ of flat area beyond the pool deck ( that 3′ concrete apron that spans the pool wall overdig) and then the grade falls off quickly.

Then the pool fence gets installed along the top of that transition leaving you with a proportionately constricted “inside the fence” space. Outside the fence you’ll have 20′ or 30′ of quickly sloping wasted space, typically followed by a narrow, orphaned strip of grass.

By planning your overall layout, including grading, ahead of time, you can avoid these quick drop offs and non functional left over spaces. The result will be larger, flatter areas that provide you with a much higher percentage of usable space.

Even a yard that looks relatively flat, can have a 18″-24″ grade change and that can cause you to end up with more wasted space than you would have imagined.

Plan ahead. Don’t leave the grade to chance because you end up having to either “live with it” or spend money afterwards to fix it. 

Pool grade makes a huge difference in usability of backyard

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Pool Height

Choosing a pool builder

for your Pool installation in Rochester NY

Backyard Before inground Pool and Landscape Renovation in Rochester NY
After inground Pool and Landscape Renovation. Adds home value.

How to choose a pool builder

Other than the usual advice such as references and number of years in the business, there is one thing I have noticed over the years.

If the pool contractor is doing at least 20-30 pools per year, the communication and execution are much smoother.

In order to install that number of pools, a pool builder will definitely have to be organized, efficient, and have a process to handle the scheduling the work.

I find that pool builders doing less than 10-15 pools typically cost less, but the projects always seem to drag on, driving my customers nuts.

Many contractors I’ve worked with just want to make things easy on themselves. The companies I list have worked consistently well with my customers over the years on projects that are a little more custom than normal.

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Recommended Pool Builders

I often get asked who I would recommend to install an inground pool project here in Rochester. I will always work with whomever my customers chooses, but some are definitely better than others.

Based on 20 years of 1st hand experience, I think you would be very happy working with any one of the pool  Builders listed below.

Many contractors I’ve worked with just want to make things easy on themselves. The companies I list have worked consistently well with my customers over the years on projects that are a little more custom than normal.

Recommended Rochester Pool Builders

Fountain Pools

Fountain Pools

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Fountain Pools

Northeastern Pool and Spa

Northeastern Pool & Spa

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Northeastern Pool

Pettis Pool & Patio

Pettis Pools & Patio

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Pettis Pools

Final word...

Hopefully this page has provided you with some helpful information on starting an inground pool project, either here in Rochester, or elsewhere.

Best of luck in designing your new backyard!

Check out the rest of this website or jump here to learn more about our design service and see our pictures/portfolio of pool projects in the Rochester, NY area.

“If you think that good design is expensive, you should look at the cost of bad design.”

  • Ralf Speth. CEO Land Rover

 

Inground Pool Design

2D Plan view

This is the classic architectural “floor plan view” layout. A 2D plan is like a floor plan for an outdoor area. A landscape design creates a visual representation of a site using scaled dimensions.

It allows for “take offs” when estimating the materials during cost estimation, ensuring accuracy in bidding. It is also important for laying out site features during the installation phase of your project.

I provide accurate linear and square foot measurements for Hardscapes which is better than relying on “take offs” from a third party. It helps eliminate uncertainty, which can cause bids to be “padded”. Just by having me do that, it usually more than covers the cost of a plan and you are assure of getting what you paid for.

Cost for 2D Plans

  • Backyard Landscape Design is usually $295 for an average Rochester, NY home site.
  • Inground Pool Design: Backyards that include an inground Pool are a little more. Usually $395 for an average Rochester, NY home site.
  • Front yard Landscape Design is $250 for an average Rochester homesite.
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A couple Notes for 2D Plans

  • Note: Some Renovation Plans for existing homes can be a little more. It depends on the amount of existing trees & site features.
  • Note: Sites with larger than normal grade changes can cost more to design if hardscapes or pools are being implemented.
3D design rendering for an inground pool installation in Buffalo NY
3D design rendering for an inground pool installation in Buffalo NY
3D design rendering for a Backyard in Greece NY
3D design rendering for a Backyard in Greece NY

3D Renderings

One of biggest challenges when looking at a traditional landscape design is to get a real “feel” for what a complex design would look like in the actual space where the project would be installed.

3D renderings can be used in the design stage of a project to help visualize the overall layout. They are not used for project layout so you can consider them as optional.

A 3-D design can give an “in the landscape viewpoint” that helps give you a sense of ‘scale; and ‘proportion’ because it shows you the actual height of plants, walls or pergolas & other elements.

It is a worthwhile investment that is not meant to merely wow you with technology, but to aid you in truly envisioning the landscape.

A 2D plan is needed before a 3D Rendering can be accurately put together. A 3D plan is not needed to layout your project, therefore you can consider it as optional/add on.

Cost for 3D Plan/Rendering

  • Backyard 3D plan/Renderings are usually $250 for an average Rochester, NY home site.
  • Inground Pool 3D plan/Renderings: Backyards that include an inground Pool are $300 for an average Rochester, NY home site.
  • Front yard 3D plan/Renderings: are $250 for an average Rochester, NY home site.

we can help you design your space

Why are our projects always so different? Partially it’s the quality of the materials we use and the care we take in our installations, but mostly it is about creative and thoughtful design.

The right design will maximize the overall function and appeal of your entire property. It helps clarify your expectations, establish your budget and helps you to visualize and prioritize multi-phase enhancements.

Extensive time and detail is put into these plans so that your landscape will continue to add curb appeal, function & increased Home Value, Not maintenance and frustration.

It is for this reason we charge a fee for design work, which is around $200-$400 for a traditional 2D architectural plan for most front or backyard landscape Projects.

Backyards that include a Pool run about $395 Total due to the extra time involved, such as measuring and laying out grades, drainage, setbacks etc.

Don’t see what you’re looking for? Reach out.
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Frequently Asked Questions

$395 for a traditional 2D architectural plan which is what is used for planning and layout of the pool and surrounding spaces for your project. 3D Renderings are usually $300.

We do Planting, Landscaping & Hardscapes installs, (other than concrete).  We will provide estimates for any of that work. We don’t accept every install inquiry. It mostly depends on our backlog, distance, type of work.

You choose the pool builder. They will install the pool, including backfill, rough grading and fence.

On projects where we are doing some of the installation work (like landscaping)….. we lay out fencing and concrete so it gets done according to plan.

We actually will be working for you. We manage a project with your best interests in mind. With that said, we work with whoever you choose as your pool builder.

No problem! As long as we are doing some of the other work (like Landscaping) I will layout the design for the mason to ensure it gets put in according to the plan.

Not at this time. Since we don’t accept every installation project we’re offered, ( even though we might have done the drawing ) we instead opt to keep the design fee reasonable across the board, in order to keep it “Fair”.

Around $295 for a traditional 2D architectural plan for most backyard landscape Projects. We do offer 3D renderings for about $250 extra.

Around $250 for a traditional 2D architectural plan for most Frontyard landscape Projects. We do offer 3D renderings for about $250, but it’s more for visualization and not critical for planning and layout of the project.

Sometimes, yes. But it depends. More so in winter. Just shoot me an email. The fees will usually be a little higher because there is no installation aspect. I’m pretty familiar with plants in the East down to about zone 8. I worked in Hilton Head, SC. for 7 years.

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